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may talk about ronald reagan but they haven't really embraced ronald reagan. >> somehow i don't think he hit the nail on the head. but louisiana governor bobby jindal might be onto something. he says the republicans need to stop being the stupid party. wow, the stupid party. there is a war inside the gop and nobody knows how this will end. joining me now, steve kornacki and krystal ball, co-hosts of "the cycle" on msnbc. >> our guys, the upper echelon of the republican party, want to fashion themselves as members of the ruling class. we the country class are not in the ruling class. we're in a problem. >> steve, limbaugh is pointing to a big split in the party. where do you think this is going? is this a fight we're going to see rush and the establishment have? >> yeah. this is the problem for the republican party. that kind of a fight is probably good for rush limbaugh in terms of it gives him something to talk about, gives him status within the conservative movement. and it really allows him to rile up his audience, his base and say, i'm the voice of the pure conservative. it's this
may talk about ronald reagan but they haven't really embraced ronald reagan. >> somehow i don't think he hit the nail on the head. but louisiana governor bobby jindal might be onto something. he says the republicans need to stop being the stupid party. wow, the stupid party. there is a war inside the gop and nobody knows how this will end. joining me now, steve kornacki and krystal ball, co-hosts of "the cycle" on msnbc. >> our guys, the upper echelon of the republican...
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. >> ronald reagan said, i will not hold your youth and inexperience against you. >> i will pass that onto luke. >> you are talking about the diversity about the democratic caucus in which you lead in the house. it is a new thing at least that there is not a straight, white male majority in this caucus. and i wonder, you know, the republican party, won a larger majority of the white vote which they were bragging about today in terms of what went right for them in this election which they lost. they lost all minority groups by large margins. when you look at your group and you have that momentous change, what do you say to people who look at that change and think i'm not sure i'm happy about the fact that there is a -- in the democratic caucus? >> i haven't met anybody like that yet. >> but let's say i would say everybody is talking about how we can appeal to these people to vote for us and we are saying no, we want to go beyond that. we want them to represent us. so it is not about we need your vote this is an election day alliance, we want you to have a seat at the table. it is not t
. >> ronald reagan said, i will not hold your youth and inexperience against you. >> i will pass that onto luke. >> you are talking about the diversity about the democratic caucus in which you lead in the house. it is a new thing at least that there is not a straight, white male majority in this caucus. and i wonder, you know, the republican party, won a larger majority of the white vote which they were bragging about today in terms of what went right for them in this election...
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ronald reagan's second term -- >> a few months ago, i told the american people i did not trade arms for hostages. my heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not. >> reporter: the iran contra affair. bill clinton -- >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> reporter: impeached after the lewinsky mess. and george w. bush, well, there was the valerie plame spygate scandal, not to mentioning the handling of hurricane katrina. that's trouble for roughly 100% of re-elected presidents since 1972. yes, it's enough to give you second thoughts about that second term. so is there anything the obama team can do to prevent this? now, as bill clinton might say. >> it depends upon what the meaning of the word "is" is. >> reporter: the fact is, if there is going to be a second-term scandal, its seeds were probably sewn in the first term. the watergate break-in, nixon's first term. the actual iran contra deal, reagan's first term. bill clinton's liaison with lewinsky, first term. the actual plame leaks, first term. so if the obama tea
ronald reagan's second term -- >> a few months ago, i told the american people i did not trade arms for hostages. my heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not. >> reporter: the iran contra affair. bill clinton -- >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> reporter: impeached after the lewinsky mess. and george w. bush, well, there was the valerie plame spygate scandal, not to mentioning the handling...
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ronald reagan, in part with the help of jack kemp a generation ago, found a way to sell supply side economics as a blue collar alternative. to sell it to the common man. that's what reagan and kemp were all about. the republicans lost the ability to do that. they lost the argument once. they're going to have to figure out how to make that argument again because if they're going to say that unleashing the power of the free market is the route forward for the middle class and the working people of america, they need convincing arguments and convincing people to do it. mitt romney, if you look at it from even the slightest distance, was arguably the worst possible carrier of that message. they need somebody else. they need southern populism or populism from somewhere, but they also need the proof. they need the evidence. and lacking the evidence last time in the election of a week ago, a week or two ago, people went with the -- what they knew, which was the president's belief in the power of government to work well with the economy. >> i think they realized during the campaign thanks to some ext
ronald reagan, in part with the help of jack kemp a generation ago, found a way to sell supply side economics as a blue collar alternative. to sell it to the common man. that's what reagan and kemp were all about. the republicans lost the ability to do that. they lost the argument once. they're going to have to figure out how to make that argument again because if they're going to say that unleashing the power of the free market is the route forward for the middle class and the working people...
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reagan did because they thought it was an effective anti-poverty program. >> congressman becerra, let me go to you. >> it's deja vu all over again. >> what are republicans doing to attract those certain members of the -- >> i don't think they read the tea leaves from november the 6th and i think they're still harkening to yesteryear. it's a new day in america and they should be catching up. he is the de facto leader of the party, mitt romney is still there so his comments remind folks of the 47% comment and it's unfortunate for them because they have to figure out a way to distance themselves from a guy who doesn't get it. >> i have to say he is not the de facto leader of the republican party. it hastened romney's departure completely from the scene. romney has -- i mean i talked to republicans now. they talk about how you'll never see him speak at a convention again. people won't go to his door begging for his endorsement. that's a great question. >> de facto leader. >> his comments went over like a lead balloon especially republicans i agree with my home state governor bobby jindal
reagan did because they thought it was an effective anti-poverty program. >> congressman becerra, let me go to you. >> it's deja vu all over again. >> what are republicans doing to attract those certain members of the -- >> i don't think they read the tea leaves from november the 6th and i think they're still harkening to yesteryear. it's a new day in america and they should be catching up. he is the de facto leader of the party, mitt romney is still there so his...
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reagan was with the blowing up of the u.s. marines in beirut. >> this administration continues to put out things that are just not quite true. >> smear, character assassination, judgment before all the facts are in. >> we're getting that video in. house and senate committees will both hearings tomorrow as we reported a few minutes ago. former cia director david petraeus is expected to testify. you see some of the tone and tenor of what will perhaps happen behind closed doors tomorrow. i'm tamron hall. you can watch "news nation" every day 2:00 p.m. eastern time. "the cycle" is up next. into their work, their name on the door, and their heart into their community. small business saturday is a day to show our support. a day to shop at stores owned by our friends and neighbors. and do our part for the businesses that do so much for us. on november 24th, let's get out and shop small. challenge the need for such heavy measures with olay. regenerist micro-sculpting serum for firmer skin in 5 days. pretty heavy lifting for such a lig
reagan was with the blowing up of the u.s. marines in beirut. >> this administration continues to put out things that are just not quite true. >> smear, character assassination, judgment before all the facts are in. >> we're getting that video in. house and senate committees will both hearings tomorrow as we reported a few minutes ago. former cia director david petraeus is expected to testify. you see some of the tone and tenor of what will perhaps happen behind closed doors...
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that comes out of the economics of ronald reagan. south america is decimated by the international monetary fund and world bank. the people turned against it. these are democratically elected new leaders in the 21st century. they came in because of the disastrous policies of ronald reagan. >> i want to get to president obama. in the last chapter of your book, it is called "obama: managing and wounded empire." you are fiercely critical of him, but he also supports him. >> i support him because the military was more frightening. it is a limited choice americans have. we no longer live in a national security state. i think it is a global security state. obama has made it clear, as did romney, it is about american power. we are the "indispensable" nation in the world. it is a form of american exceptionalism. he made it clear he was going to take trips and so forth out of afghanistan and iraq, but committed on a full spectrum dominance to a containment of china. he said it. hillary clinton has said the 21st century will be america's pacifi
that comes out of the economics of ronald reagan. south america is decimated by the international monetary fund and world bank. the people turned against it. these are democratically elected new leaders in the 21st century. they came in because of the disastrous policies of ronald reagan. >> i want to get to president obama. in the last chapter of your book, it is called "obama: managing and wounded empire." you are fiercely critical of him, but he also supports him. >> i...
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seems a lack of dramatic communication skills of fdr, ronald reagan or clinton. obama frequently comes across as a teacher as a motivator. he fails to excite and motivate the miss st. although he isn't doing badly in the current campaigns. there was a recent article in the sunday edition of "the new york times" entitled obama please to win in politics and everything else. the author paints a picture of obama that gives a greater insight into him and how he might function as a second term president. i am quoting now from that article. four years ago barack obama seems as if he might be a deliberate professor of a leader may be with a touch of hawaiian he has turned out to be a voraciously competitive perfectionist and he says so in interviews. mr. alana's own words praise in say it best. he's a perpetually aspiring overachiever. as he faces off with romney, mr. obama has the will to win and the fear of losing is an overdrive kit you he screening for the debates against an opponent raising money in a frantic pace to narrow the gap in embracing tactics of an increas
seems a lack of dramatic communication skills of fdr, ronald reagan or clinton. obama frequently comes across as a teacher as a motivator. he fails to excite and motivate the miss st. although he isn't doing badly in the current campaigns. there was a recent article in the sunday edition of "the new york times" entitled obama please to win in politics and everything else. the author paints a picture of obama that gives a greater insight into him and how he might function as a second...
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that was tried by ronald reagan. nonsense. what are we continuing with this? the party has to show more empathy. not because i am successful i will think that everybody else is [indiscernible]. my parents instilled in the hard work. also, government systems or programs helped me to get an education. it helped me to be where i am today. host: loou is on the line from waterbury, connecticut -- lou. caller: i am a registered republican, but i have been voting libertarian since the mid-1990's. i agree with everything mitt romney has said. when ronald reagan was president, approximately 29% of the american public got some kind of government assistance. today the number is 49% almost. thomas jefferson said it best. "once public realizes you have treasury, the republic is doomed." you have too many people suc king it up. a politician is robbing peter to pay paul will always have paul's vote. we have to cut the size of the federal government by 90%. we need to abolish social security, medicare, food stamps, these are all social programs. host: the previous caller talk
that was tried by ronald reagan. nonsense. what are we continuing with this? the party has to show more empathy. not because i am successful i will think that everybody else is [indiscernible]. my parents instilled in the hard work. also, government systems or programs helped me to get an education. it helped me to be where i am today. host: loou is on the line from waterbury, connecticut -- lou. caller: i am a registered republican, but i have been voting libertarian since the mid-1990's. i...
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when democrats had won elections for almost 60 years in the united states and ronald reagan and the republicans took power away from the democrats in the 1980s there was an effort on the democratic side to modernize the democratic party to move it away from things that were no longer working as america changed. i think that's what the republicans will have to do. they were very successful in the latter part of the 20th century. they have to reapply their values, to a new america, a new economy, i want to agree with ka*eufplt you can see some of those leaders out there, bobby jindal and chris christie, and susana martinez, there is a very strong next bench for the republicans that could lead the generational change that is going to happen. it may not be a 20-year process but i don't think it will snap back right away. jon: it seemed to me that governor romney put out a pretty positive campaign talked about, you know, the middle class and trying to restore people. how much of this is -- i don't know, how much of this is the trashing of the romney campaign at the hands of some of the democratic-le
when democrats had won elections for almost 60 years in the united states and ronald reagan and the republicans took power away from the democrats in the 1980s there was an effort on the democratic side to modernize the democratic party to move it away from things that were no longer working as america changed. i think that's what the republicans will have to do. they were very successful in the latter part of the 20th century. they have to reapply their values, to a new america, a new economy,...
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the republican party may talk about ronald reagan but they haven't embraced ronald reagan. america and ronal reagan, my father's vision of america is still there, what we are missing is ronald reagan. shannon: where are republicans missing the mark? >> my father was so inclusive in everything he did. he never smoke down to people. he spoke with people. he was somebody who was inclusive. i talked about it before on this show with the hispanic communities and females. this is as man who found areas of agreement and moved the ball forward. he didn't look for areas of disagreement and not most ball at all. i think the republican party can do well to learn from ronald reagan. i think it only place where you find people fighting for education, fighting for the grassroots of america really is at fox or talk radio. but you do not see it in the party leaders anymore. they are so busy paying attention to consultants they forgot the people of this country. we need to get back to actually representing the people, not representing the consultants. shannon: you talk about the fact that y
the republican party may talk about ronald reagan but they haven't embraced ronald reagan. america and ronal reagan, my father's vision of america is still there, what we are missing is ronald reagan. shannon: where are republicans missing the mark? >> my father was so inclusive in everything he did. he never smoke down to people. he spoke with people. he was somebody who was inclusive. i talked about it before on this show with the hispanic communities and females. this is as man who...
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my god, you would have thought that i had knocked over a bust of ronald reagan. i'm not done. i've got a long list here. >> that's your problem. >> this is not about me. this is important to say. nobody was saying this, and they weren't saying this for a reason. right after the convention. i did a series of tweets, huffington post mutt it uput it they said romney's team's in trouble. they need to turn it around. it's slipping out of their grip quickly. they're in trouble. then finally the libyan press conference that he gave that was such a disaster, the next morning, i went out, i said, this is the worst thing, mark stein at "national review" and all these other people went crazy talking about how i was a rhino and i was this. it was stupidity. then they decided to come at us saying we doctored a tape and obsessed for a week over two seconds where we felt they said ryan, they thought they said romney. so while all of these conspiracy theories are spewing on the right and the conservative entertainment complex, barack obama's team is organizing. and they're targeting. and inst
my god, you would have thought that i had knocked over a bust of ronald reagan. i'm not done. i've got a long list here. >> that's your problem. >> this is not about me. this is important to say. nobody was saying this, and they weren't saying this for a reason. right after the convention. i did a series of tweets, huffington post mutt it uput it they said romney's team's in trouble. they need to turn it around. it's slipping out of their grip quickly. they're in trouble. then...
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ronald reagan said -- and they always want to quote ronald reagan -- but ronald reagan said do not speak ill of another republican, and we keep forgetting that, number one. number two, the reason we lost is because we didn't have a 50-state, as a former party chairman said, approach as obama did, okay? and we're not using a new technology. romney, i think there was prejudice in the party against his mormonism. i think a lot of us stood back as they did when mccain ran, you know in we were three million votes down, and i'd like to get to hear some of the republicans, what they have to say about that. i think jindal's going down the wrong route jumping on romney now, but we had these fractional primaries, and that really took a lot of steam out of romney, and it set us up. >> host: that was jared from ohio. to georgia now, charles. what's the name of your town, charles? >> caller: i'm sorry, i couldn't hear you? >> host: what's the name of your town? >> caller: cleveland. >> host: you're calling from cleveland, georgia? >> caller: yes, sir. >> host: go ahead. >> caller: i think these undec
ronald reagan said -- and they always want to quote ronald reagan -- but ronald reagan said do not speak ill of another republican, and we keep forgetting that, number one. number two, the reason we lost is because we didn't have a 50-state, as a former party chairman said, approach as obama did, okay? and we're not using a new technology. romney, i think there was prejudice in the party against his mormonism. i think a lot of us stood back as they did when mccain ran, you know in we were three...
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ronald reagan was 69 when he first ran for president. many worried he was too old for the job until his famous quip during a debate. >> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> yes, reagan used age to his advantage. but seriously, how old is too old? remember senator strom thurman who commuted from walter reed to the capitol at the age of 100? his aides had to vote for him. of course, this argument isn't limited to the world of politics. ageism rages in the role world, too. how often have you heard those under 30 grumbling about those old guys sucking up all the jobs? so the talk back question of the day, should politicians have a mandatory retirement age? facebook.com/carolcnn. your responses later this hour. still the most dependable, longest-lasting full-size pickups on the road. and now we've also been recognized for lowest total cost of ownership -- based on important things, like depreciation, fuel, and maintenance costs. and now trade
ronald reagan was 69 when he first ran for president. many worried he was too old for the job until his famous quip during a debate. >> i will not make age an issue of this campaign. i am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> yes, reagan used age to his advantage. but seriously, how old is too old? remember senator strom thurman who commuted from walter reed to the capitol at the age of 100? his aides had to vote for him. of course,...
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you need to be in had you a position and ronald reagan negotiated this way beautifulliy multiple times. boehner has to say this guy is crazy he will take us over the cliff and we have the worst possible case, we have to cut that deal. the deal at best is going to get half the republicans and a little more than haf the democrats. the president has to make sure he keeps his democrats in the tent because they are not going to be happy with some of the elements of change and we have seen a coalition of labor and liberals saying no way. >> so, in the nitty-gritty before we get to entitlements. what if -- would it be better if we increase taxes on a larger group of people everybody making over 250,000 by a smaller amount or increasing taxes on a smaller group making more than a million and go up to 39.6%. what is more likely to happen? >> it's more likely to be the former than the latter. i must tell you jennifer, i don't much care, you have to get that revenue target. the president said 1.6 trillion. you probably end up compromising at 1.2 trillion from taxes. you have to figure out what yo
you need to be in had you a position and ronald reagan negotiated this way beautifulliy multiple times. boehner has to say this guy is crazy he will take us over the cliff and we have the worst possible case, we have to cut that deal. the deal at best is going to get half the republicans and a little more than haf the democrats. the president has to make sure he keeps his democrats in the tent because they are not going to be happy with some of the elements of change and we have seen a...
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back in 1982, even the gop hero ronald reagan instituted one of the largest tax increases in modern american history. what's going on? i this i it comes down to one important word, than word actually isn't taxes. it's power. here at the fiscal cliff base camp are the same players in the same chairs, the same issues as 2011 but man, the power dynamics have changed. if last year the name of the game was hold the line, this year the opening salvos are more about let's get things done. here is house speaker john boehner yesterday after meeting with the president. >> i believe that the framework that i've outlined in our meeting today is consistent with the president's call for a fair and balanced approach. to show our seriousness, we've put revenue on the table. >> now, in politics, much of power is about perception. in a post re-election 2012, perceptions are mighty different. here's the president at his first post re-election press conference on wednesday. >> if there was one thing that everybody understood was a big difference between myself and mr. romney, it was when it comes to how we redu
back in 1982, even the gop hero ronald reagan instituted one of the largest tax increases in modern american history. what's going on? i this i it comes down to one important word, than word actually isn't taxes. it's power. here at the fiscal cliff base camp are the same players in the same chairs, the same issues as 2011 but man, the power dynamics have changed. if last year the name of the game was hold the line, this year the opening salvos are more about let's get things done. here is...
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when ronald reagan stood up for workers, when he stood up for the people and america did. and some good democrats did too. we were on the right side of history. >> we have a lot of work to do and i'm afraid that it's a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the iraq/pakistan border. >> the iraq/pakistan border. they do not share a border. iran was not training al qaeda operatives. ronald reagan did not cause the spring. that was his first year as governor of california. do you remember when up with chris hayes did the arm the ripples montage? >> we need to get a sanctuary for the free syrian army. we need to get them supplies. >> i do believe that as we have in the past, we can help facilitate weapons to get to the hands of the libyan military. those who are fighting against gadhafi. >> we should help them with arms. >> if not strategic air strikes, what if any military option would you think realistic and plausible? >> arming bosnians. >> his favorite approach bosnia, arm the rebels. his favorite approach to iraq, we should arm the rebels. his favorite ap
when ronald reagan stood up for workers, when he stood up for the people and america did. and some good democrats did too. we were on the right side of history. >> we have a lot of work to do and i'm afraid that it's a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the iraq/pakistan border. >> the iraq/pakistan border. they do not share a border. iran was not training al qaeda operatives. ronald reagan did not cause the spring. that was his first year as governor of...
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that's something ronald reagan and jack kemp find of figured out how at least to sell a generation ago and this generation of republicans has yet to figure out. >> i guess i was one of the takers with the student loans. i'm one of the 47%. howard fineman, thank you. i think we all went to school on loans. have a nice thanksgiving. >>> coming up, so much has been made of the fact that president obama got only 39% of the white vote in this country. national problem for the president? not really when you realize in deep south mississippi he got about 10%. a lot of his problem is in the south. it's just the historic problem the democratic party, white or black candidates have this problem having a tough time. also the battle for hillary's job. it's getting hot. it's the first big decision president obama has to make since his re-election. it looks like it's between john kerry and u.n. ambassador susan rice. will the president go with the 2004 presidential candidate or his apparent favorite? and a report from gaza and the latest on the fighting there that i think could lead to a war with ir
that's something ronald reagan and jack kemp find of figured out how at least to sell a generation ago and this generation of republicans has yet to figure out. >> i guess i was one of the takers with the student loans. i'm one of the 47%. howard fineman, thank you. i think we all went to school on loans. have a nice thanksgiving. >>> coming up, so much has been made of the fact that president obama got only 39% of the white vote in this country. national problem for the...
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reagan did. >> when you talk about pulling that coalition together, how do you do that? in this election, the republicans lost every group of color, african-americans, they lost asian-americans, they lost hispanic americans. yes, you need to bring that coalition together but the question is how do you do it? >> politics is a game of inches. you try to improve with every conceivable subset across the country in these communities. they way you do it is a lot like in your personal life. you're making riche ing relatio friendships and talk to them to see what they think are the policies to make this country better. president george w. bush did that well and other republicans inside the party do that extremely well in addition to him. the key is this. our party does not need to change its beliefs. its beliefs are still very popular across the country. i think the way we've explained what we want to do has really fallen short and that's the easier problem to fix. >> i want to read you something from "politico" this week. "the people have spoken. i think we're going to have to
reagan did. >> when you talk about pulling that coalition together, how do you do that? in this election, the republicans lost every group of color, african-americans, they lost asian-americans, they lost hispanic americans. yes, you need to bring that coalition together but the question is how do you do it? >> politics is a game of inches. you try to improve with every conceivable subset across the country in these communities. they way you do it is a lot like in your personal...
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it wasn't terribly long ago that ronald reagan won 49 states. that's a mandate. it's unthinkable that any candidate can win anywhere close to that. obama won a pretty impressive victory even without a serious third party candidate, he did not get 51% of the popular vote. he won 26 states to romney's 24 states. we'll see time after time very, very close elections. we need to rethink the negotiations of mandates and say this person won the presidency. they need to go forward with that agenda. >> what about the republicans? are they going to do a big rethink here? >> yes, and more than one. it was interesting that the republican governors happened to be meeting this week in las vegas when this news about the interesting comments that romney made to his donors that we just saw and the republican governors, bobby jindal of louisiana did not miss five seconds before they really denounced what romney was saying. the republicans have a lot of things to think about, not of which is their growing problem with hispanic voters. that is the big growing group in this country.
it wasn't terribly long ago that ronald reagan won 49 states. that's a mandate. it's unthinkable that any candidate can win anywhere close to that. obama won a pretty impressive victory even without a serious third party candidate, he did not get 51% of the popular vote. he won 26 states to romney's 24 states. we'll see time after time very, very close elections. we need to rethink the negotiations of mandates and say this person won the presidency. they need to go forward with that agenda....
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see ronald reagan making the case not for legalization but for amnesty using that word. i think a majority of republicans are pro immigration that the have been afraid for the past six years about that lobby which has an incredible political machine and anybody that says anything constructive about immigration would be called the label primm st, and certainly some talk-show hosts. i think this election cycle has dramatically changed that. i can at least remember half a dozen talk shows had already said my position has evolved and now i am for immigration reform. but that is good because will give cover to a lot of republicans who have avoided this issue will want to deal with this issue to actually do it. so we have to reclaim the issue and we can do it because immigration reform is the conservative position. restriction is part of the nationalist protectionist paradigm and if we are the party of the family come if we are the party of the free market we should not in any way have a restriction as to position if we are for the family i don't see how -- i don't see why we
see ronald reagan making the case not for legalization but for amnesty using that word. i think a majority of republicans are pro immigration that the have been afraid for the past six years about that lobby which has an incredible political machine and anybody that says anything constructive about immigration would be called the label primm st, and certainly some talk-show hosts. i think this election cycle has dramatically changed that. i can at least remember half a dozen talk shows had...
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ronald reagan made his progress with the soviets in the second term. bill clinton almost got a middle east peace deal in the second term. so i do think there's a sense when you look abroad the president has more opportunities to leave a mark. >> john do you think, those that the scandal involving cia director former cia director david petraeus could derail the efforts he's trying to get going here? >> this one won't derail it but it's a very good example of the kind of thing that tends to turn up for season in more in a second term. you know iran-contra for president reagan rather famously president clinton's impeachment was in the second term. so it may not be this one, but, you know there is kind of a coincidence that time consuming scandals do pop up in those last four years. >> it's interesting you bring up legacy. one of the issues with the fiscal cliff is what kind of legacy would john boehner or the president leave behind when they leave office if they can't get a deal done and what about a second term compromising and going your own route. >> t
ronald reagan made his progress with the soviets in the second term. bill clinton almost got a middle east peace deal in the second term. so i do think there's a sense when you look abroad the president has more opportunities to leave a mark. >> john do you think, those that the scandal involving cia director former cia director david petraeus could derail the efforts he's trying to get going here? >> this one won't derail it but it's a very good example of the kind of thing that...